Wikileaks

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by Mephiston, Dec 8, 2010.

  1. Gaunsaku Chill Dude

    Meph, I agree in that I think many politicians do care to some degree about this country's well being. The problem is many of them are also blinded by their views and incapable of seeing otherwise. The story of the blind men and the elephant comes to mind. An indian dude leads 10 blind men into a room with an elephant and places each one of their hands on a different part of the animal. He doesn't tell them what they're touching or what anyone else is touching. He then asks them to describe what they're touching. One with the trunk says a hose, one with the tail says a brush, one with the tusk says a spear, one with the ear says a fan, etc. They then proceed to argue over what the greater whole is based on the sole pieces they're holding.

    That's partisan politics to me. Republicans amassing and saying their shit must be addressed before they address anything else is gay. If democrats did that it would be gay as well. But they do it out of fear of losing face or losing power or losing support. Those are powerful motivators, which is why I say all the shit I do, because when you go into a lawmaking process with no care over your own fate and purely with the agenda of making the country a better place for everyone then you can start going somewhere.

    Anwedie, I'm jealous of your ability to watch the market regularly. I'm too busy these days :( But worse than what you said is the whole HFT and darkpool bullshit we got going on. I'm very much against that kind of trading between funds and brokerages because they're essentially establishing a pattern of printing money through (in)formal agreements with each other and not allowing anyone else to play. I'd totally go for some HFT if the SEC would give me a direct pipe to the market. I'd also crash it once a month just to piss someone off. But when you have separate "blackmarket" trading arenas like that, it's worse than the insider deals that already cause trouble (in my opinion).
     

  2. Yeah, the way the system can be abused is quite amazing. It's one thing to hold out for a reasonable compromise, it's quite another to bring everything to a standstill so you can get your way or make the guy above you look bad for not getting his legislation passed.

    As far as the blindness goes, yeah you see that a lot even when talking politics. I'm no debate expert, but I'm schooled enough in logic that I can create a sound argument when I bother to. There's a couple guys at work who are rabid republicans, the hardcore religious right flavor even. They'll just shut down the second you attack their beliefs with fact.

    As far as I'm concerned, when you subscribe to a particular party, and vote strictly along their lines, regardless of the actual platform. You're a dumbass who doesn't deserve the vote you get.

    My one foray into the stock market was for a college course in 2001, shortly after 9/11. Imagine my disappointment when I couldn't find a military hardware producer to invest in. I figured that was where all the money was going.
     
  3. Gaunsaku Chill Dude

  4. Anwedie Lord

    Unfortunately that's how this stuff plays out. Look at health care. Noone is investing in the health care sector, except for speculation stocks that might have miracle drugs come out. The health care law has decimated growth in all HC stocks except ones that sell basic shit like stethoscopes and such because with 30+ million people forced onto the books, they'll need dipsticks and blood pressure cuffs etc, whereas noone knows what the final results are out of the bill to invest in anything else..

    This is another example of how government, instead of making small tweaks and agreeing on something from both sides, instead writes a sweeping bill with broad changes so vast that noone knows what they are or how to calculate the future costs of them. An example right now is, the country is projecting an electricity shortfall within 5 years, on the east coast within 2 years and right now we're dealing with new EPA regulations trying to shut down 40,000-90,000MW of generation in PJM's east grid. The country is already experiencing a shortage of 5000 MW during peak load like in vast heat waves or cold snaps in the US. It's bad enough that noone ever elected these EPA clowns, but the lack of common sense they possess is astounding. Would you rather reduce carbon emissions by <1%(of which India, China and Brazil don't give a flying fignewton about and don't even use clean coal they just burn it right through without using scrubbers) and freeze to death in winter while reading books because of rolling brownouts or try and hurt mother nature(which is impossible because volcanos spew more shit than we ever could).

    Unfortunately, what we have in Washington is never going to change. I believe we're about 8 years away from a third party(or a citizen uprising) cause neither side gives 2 shits right now.
     
  5. thorizdin Administrator

    Wow, just wow...you must watch Fox News a lot.
     
  6. Anwedie Lord

    Actually I watch CNBC 95% of the time, after it goes off the air at 8PM I'll switch over to Fox because they have blondes with nice tatas who can read teleprompters.
     
  7. Gaunsaku Chill Dude

    Anwedie, I'm gonna need some reading material for that diatribe you just gave :D
     
  8. I think Anwedie is a secret Govt experiment to clone Glenn Beck.

    Also, I should be president. Someone at work has even been writing "Mephy for President" all over the place and it isn't me.

    My grassroots campaign has begun.

    P.S. Free coke and hookers if you vote for me.
     
  9. El Topo Lord

    Yeah very pleasant, lets just hope the media and the government take that positive stance on wikileaks going forword.

    Here is another article that takes a different perspective on wikileaks:
    http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=22389

    This was suggested by TRNN rather early on in the wikileaks debate:

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    I'm kinda in agreement here, but in the end I really do think wikileaks is a non issue. Once its forgotten in a few months, I very much doubt much will change in the media and government.

    Additional videos since nothing is happening:

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